Re: Listserv Digest, Vol 152, Issue 2

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Shao-yun Yang
Sat, Apr 15, 2023 3:52 PM

A good discussion of the Tibetan use of Chinese divination can be found in
this article by Ronit Yoeli-Tlalim:
https://brill.com/display/book/9789004366183/B9789004366183-s032.xml

From what I understand, Sinitic influence on Tibetan culture was quite
limited, compared to Indic influence; divination was the notable exception.

The NYT interactive essay is indeed very well done. Thank you, Prof. Clark
for recommending it. (Here's a link:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/04/14/arts/design/tres-riches-heures-calendar.html
)

Shao-yun Yang

Shao-yun Yang
(He/him/his)
Associate Professor, Department of History
Director, East Asian Studies program
Denison University
E-mail: yangs@denison.edu
https://denison.edu/people/shao-yun-yang

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 14:20:09 +0000
From: "Clark, Hugh" hclark@ursinus.edu
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Has anyone seen the beautiful essay in today’s NYTimes on the Book of
hours and calendars?

The illustrations (which are legitimately gorgeous) include a South Asian
calendar with the trigrams embedded in the central motif.

Can anyone explain what they are doing there? It’s the only Sinitic motif
in the piece, the rest is in Sanskrit with decidedly South Asian motifs.

Hugh Clark

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 11:11:27 -0400
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It sure looks Tibetan to me. Why would a Sinitic element be surprising?

Joseph Adler

On 4/15/2023 10:20 AM, Clark, Hugh wrote:

Has anyone seen the beautiful essay in today’s NYTimes on the Book of

hours and calendars?

The illustrations (which are legitimately gorgeous) include a South

Asian calendar with the trigrams embedded in the central motif.

Can anyone explain what they are doing there? It’s the only Sinitic

motif in the piece, the rest is in Sanskrit with decidedly South Asian
motifs.

Hugh Clark

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Dear all,

It is a Tibetan astrological chart and this particular piece is in the
collection of Rubin Museum of Art, New York.

https://rubinmuseum.org/collection/artwork/astrological-chart

Xiaotian Yin

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It sure looks Tibetan to me. Why would a Sinitic element be surprising?

Joseph Adler

On 4/15/2023 10:20 AM, Clark, Hugh wrote:

Has anyone seen the beautiful essay in today’s NYTimes on the Book of

hours and calendars?

The illustrations (which are legitimately gorgeous) include a South

Asian calendar with the trigrams embedded in the central motif.

Can anyone explain what they are doing there? It’s the only Sinitic

motif in the piece, the rest is in Sanskrit with decidedly South Asian
motifs.

Hugh Clark

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A good discussion of the Tibetan use of Chinese divination can be found in this article by Ronit Yoeli-Tlalim: https://brill.com/display/book/9789004366183/B9789004366183-s032.xml From what I understand, Sinitic influence on Tibetan culture was quite limited, compared to Indic influence; divination was the notable exception. The NYT interactive essay is indeed very well done. Thank you, Prof. Clark for recommending it. (Here's a link: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/04/14/arts/design/tres-riches-heures-calendar.html ) Shao-yun Yang Shao-yun Yang (He/him/his) Associate Professor, Department of History Director, East Asian Studies program Denison University E-mail: yangs@denison.edu https://denison.edu/people/shao-yun-yang On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 11:18 AM <listserv-request@mail.songyuan.org> wrote: > Send Listserv mailing list submissions to > listserv@mail.songyuan.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > listserv-request@mail.songyuan.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > listserv-owner@mail.songyuan.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Listserv digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Calendar (Clark, Hugh) > 2. Re: Calendar (Joseph A. Adler) > 3. Re: Calendar (Yin, Xiaotian) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 14:20:09 +0000 > From: "Clark, Hugh" <hclark@ursinus.edu> > Subject: [Song-Yuan Listserv] Calendar > To: "listserv@songyuan.org" <listserv@songyuan.org> > Message-ID: <27D45BB1-FEEA-459D-8215-48326BE0E8F8@ursinus.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Has anyone seen the beautiful essay in today’s NYTimes on the Book of > hours and calendars? > > The illustrations (which are legitimately gorgeous) include a South Asian > calendar with the trigrams embedded in the central motif. > > Can anyone explain what they are doing there? It’s the only Sinitic motif > in the piece, the rest is in Sanskrit with decidedly South Asian motifs. > > Hugh Clark > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 11:11:27 -0400 > From: "Joseph A. Adler" <adlerj@kenyon.edu> > Subject: [Song-Yuan Listserv] Re: Calendar > To: "Clark, Hugh" <hclark@ursinus.edu>, "listserv@songyuan.org" > <listserv@songyuan.org> > Message-ID: <3c2f3e34-3790-264d-39ba-67a3fe57a97f@kenyon.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > It sure looks Tibetan to me. Why would a Sinitic element be surprising? > > Joseph Adler > > On 4/15/2023 10:20 AM, Clark, Hugh wrote: > > Has anyone seen the beautiful essay in today’s NYTimes on the Book of > hours and calendars? > > > > The illustrations (which are legitimately gorgeous) include a South > Asian calendar with the trigrams embedded in the central motif. > > > > Can anyone explain what they are doing there? It’s the only Sinitic > motif in the piece, the rest is in Sanskrit with decidedly South Asian > motifs. > > > > Hugh Clark > > > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > > Listserv mailing list -- listserv@mail.songyuan.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to listserv-leave@mail.songyuan.org > > -- > Joseph A. Adler > Professor Emeritus > Asian Studies & Religious Studies > Kenyon College > Gambier, Ohio, USA > http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/adler.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:17:20 +0000 > From: "Yin, Xiaotian" <xiaotianyin@fas.harvard.edu> > Subject: [Song-Yuan Listserv] Re: Calendar > To: "Joseph A. Adler" <adlerj@kenyon.edu>, "Clark, Hugh" > <hclark@ursinus.edu>, "listserv@songyuan.org" < > listserv@songyuan.org> > Message-ID: <SN6PR07MB439858BB6DFADE8B2286D780F39E9@SN6PR07MB4398.nam > prd07.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_SN6PR07MB439858 > BB6DFADE8B2286D780F39E9SN6PR07MB4398namp_" > > Dear all, > > It is a Tibetan astrological chart and this particular piece is in the > collection of Rubin Museum of Art, New York. > > > https://rubinmuseum.org/collection/artwork/astrological-chart > > > Xiaotian Yin > > > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Joseph A. Adler <adlerj@kenyon.edu> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2023 11:11:27 AM > To: Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu>; listserv@songyuan.org < > listserv@songyuan.org> > Subject: [Song-Yuan Listserv] Re: Calendar > > It sure looks Tibetan to me. Why would a Sinitic element be surprising? > > Joseph Adler > > On 4/15/2023 10:20 AM, Clark, Hugh wrote: > > Has anyone seen the beautiful essay in today’s NYTimes on the Book of > hours and calendars? > > > > The illustrations (which are legitimately gorgeous) include a South > Asian calendar with the trigrams embedded in the central motif. > > > > Can anyone explain what they are doing there? It’s the only Sinitic > motif in the piece, the rest is in Sanskrit with decidedly South Asian > motifs. > > > > Hugh Clark > > > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > > Listserv mailing list -- listserv@mail.songyuan.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to listserv-leave@mail.songyuan.org > > -- > Joseph A. Adler > Professor Emeritus > Asian Studies & Religious Studies > Kenyon College > Gambier, Ohio, USA > http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/adler.htm > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list -- listserv@mail.songyuan.org > To unsubscribe send an email to listserv-leave@mail.songyuan.org >